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Sunday, December 12, 2021

Kuzari Argument Part 24 Uyghurs

 This post is more or less a stand alone, however it is a continuation of my long discussion of the Kuzari argument for Judaism.  Continued from Kuzari Part 23 or Proof of God from Miracles Part 3

My first Kuzari Argument for G-d/Judaism is here 

The mass media has brought to my attention the Uyghurs, in particular their harsh treatment by the Communist Chinese including allegations of genocide.  I am ignorant of the Uyghurs and their history so I read the Wikipedia article on the Uyghurs and will be relying on Wikepedia. You may be thinking what do the Uyghurs have to do with the Kuzari argument for Judaism, but this will be come clear as you continue to read.

Lets examine one version of the Kuzari 'proof' that the Exodus with all the miracles and the Sinai revelation really occurred.

Rabbi Gottlieb (RG) Principle: Let E be a possible event which, had it really occurred, would have left behind enormous, easily available evidence of its occurrence. If the evidence does not exist, people will not believe that E occurred.

This can be briefly restated as: If  people believe an event (of type E)  occurred, then evidence must exist for the event's occurrence.

[RG means to say a mass of people. RG does not mean if a only a few people.]

One gist of RG Principle/Argumemt is that descendants of a people will not accept a false history (of type E event(s)) of their ancestors.

Some Jews have applied this principle to the first Temple. How can we be sure there was a first Temple ? Because the decendents of the Israelites (Jews) accept the existence of the first Temple ( in which their ancestors worshipped)  and they would not do so unless there really was a first Temple. A similar type argument is made about the Exodus-Sinai stories.

Yet we read in Wikipedia ( retrieved 12/11/2021) "After being converted to Islam, the descendants of the previously Buddhist Uyghurs in Turfan failed to retain memory of their ancestral legacy and falsely believed that the "infidel Kalmuks" (Dzungars) were the ones who built Buddhist structures in their area."

If the RG Principle was valid, the descendants of the previously Buddhist Uyghurs in Turfan should not have accepted a false history (of type E events) yet they did !

Continued Kuzari Argument Part 25 - National Experiential Tradition - Armenian Genocide

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